From jctihon@ucdavis.edu Sun Mar 1 07:16:52 1998 Received: from schilling.ucdavis.edu (root@schilling.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id HAA19710; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:16:50 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:16:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from catbert.ucdavis.edu (root@catbert.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.190]) by schilling.ucdavis.edu (8.8.8/UCD3.11.26) with ESMTP id WAA04203 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 22:16:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ez040407@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catbert.ucdavis.edu (8.8.7/UCD3.11.26) with SMTP id WAA15846 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 22:16:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 22:16:41 -0800 (PST) From: Jack Tihon X-Sender: ez040407@catbert.ucdavis.edu To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: creating the root fs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Okay guys, I know that this is a stupid newbie question, but how do i get the root (root-0.01.tar.gz) fs image onto the disk as an ext2fs partition? thanks, -jack . From jctihon@ucdavis.edu Sun Mar 1 20:51:06 1998 Received: from schilling.ucdavis.edu (root@schilling.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA23196; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:51:00 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:51:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from catbert.ucdavis.edu (root@catbert.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.190]) by schilling.ucdavis.edu (8.8.8/UCD3.11.26) with ESMTP id LAA09506 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:50:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ez040407@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catbert.ucdavis.edu (8.8.7/UCD3.11.26) with SMTP id LAA02114 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:50:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:50:49 -0800 (PST) From: Jack Tihon X-Sender: ez040407@catbert.ucdavis.edu To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: creating the root fs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry about my last post. I got it running. On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Jack Tihon wrote: > Okay guys, > > I know that this is a stupid newbie question, but how do i get the > root (root-0.01.tar.gz) fs image onto the disk as an ext2fs partition? > thanks, > > -jack > . > -jt . From donovare@servcom.com Tue Mar 3 10:39:48 1998 Received: from ntserver.servcom.com (ntserver.servcom.com [207.14.85.10]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id KAA08436; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:39:45 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:39:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from ancp17.servcom.com ([207.14.86.179]) by ntserver.servcom.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO205e ID# 0-39206U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA110 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:59:30 -0900 Received: by ancp17.servcom.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD463D.52D852E0@ancp17.servcom.com>; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:43:03 -0900 Message-ID: <01BD463D.52D852E0@ancp17.servcom.com> From: Donovan Arellano To: "'linux-mips@fnet.fr'" Subject: acer pica 61 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:43:01 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok, uncle....uncle...I cannot stand it any longer, I have a netpower 100 = (acer pica 61 with 64megs of ram and 3gigs of drive space) and am in = need of an OS to put on this machine that will allow me to do some dev = work on a web site I am building. Anyway, long story short where are the = FAQ's on installing this OS for this type of machine. I have read the = Linux/MIPS FAQ and surrounding docs, but all it talks about is testing = to see if MILO will load on the system...OK it does, now what? Any help = or point in the right direction would be of great help Donovan Arellano Anchorage,AK ******************************************************* "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; The unreasonable man = persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all = progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw From R.vandenBerg@inter.NL.net Tue Mar 3 16:48:10 1998 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id QAA10254; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:48:08 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:48:08 +0100 (MET) From: R.vandenBerg@inter.NL.net Received: from dutch.mountain by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via hn99-2.Hoorn.NL.net [193.79.46.227] with ESMTP for id QAA07504 (8.8.5/3.24); Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:48:01 +0100 (MET) Received: by dutch.mountain via sendmail with stdio id for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:17:13 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2 built 1996-Nov-26) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:17:13 +0100 (MET) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr X-URL: http://whale.dutch.mountain/diverse/mips.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.6 X-Personal_name: Richard van den Berg Subject: Status Linux-MIPS for DECstation 5000/25 Cc: ravdberg@dutch.mountain Hi, Is the current MIPS-Kernel able to boot on a DECstation 5000/25? I followed the links to xxx.softway.com.au and the www page isn't available, fortunatly the ftp is still there and I downloaded the experimentel kernel which I got booting till Calibrating delay loop, as stated. The latest source there is dated november 1997. Question is what's my best shot to do? I'm not a programmer but see it as a challenge to get the DECstation running Linux. :-) Regards, Richard From ahm@spies.com Tue Mar 3 19:41:20 1998 Received: from goonsquad.spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id TAA11141; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:41:17 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:41:17 +0100 (MET) Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:41:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: From: ahm@spies.com (Andreas Meyer) Subject: Linux/MIPS status? To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:41:56 -0800 (PST) Organization: The Internet Wiretap Content-Type: text Hello, Can you tell me the current status of Linux/MIPS? I'd like to run Linux on an SGI Personal Iris. Merci, Andy -- Andreas Meyer, ahm@goonsquad.spies.com From robm@gemstone.com Tue Mar 3 20:01:49 1998 Received: from gemstone.com (slcgate.gemstone.com [207.79.207.46]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA11310; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:01:47 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:01:47 +0100 (MET) Received: by gemstone.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:48:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv1.gemstone.com by servio.gemstone.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0y9wtC-001H8jC; Tue, 3 Mar 98 10:58 PST Received: by MAILSRV1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:57:53 -0800 Message-ID: <79680FECEC77D1119EEC00A0C984038612C822@MAILSRV1> From: Rob Mohr To: "'linux-mips@fnet.fr'" Subject: RE: Linux/MIPS status? Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:57:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain I am also intrested in the status of this port. Specifically, the pmax port. I have a DECstation 3100 that I would like to run it on. Rob Mohr > -----Original Message----- > From: ahm@spies.com [SMTP:ahm@spies.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 10:42 AM > To: linux-mips@fnet.fr > Subject: Linux/MIPS status? > > Hello, > > Can you tell me the current status of Linux/MIPS? > I'd like to run Linux on an SGI Personal Iris. > > Merci, > Andy > -- > Andreas Meyer, ahm@goonsquad.spies.com From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Thu Mar 5 21:53:26 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id VAA01048; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:53:20 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:53:20 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-18.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.18]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA13373 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:52:54 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA18354; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:31:44 +0100 Message-ID: <19980305213144.33306@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:31:44 +0100 To: Harald Koerfgen , linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@engr.sgi.com Subject: R3000 glibc References: <19980305003010.18771@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from Harald Koerfgen on Thu, Mar 05, 1998 at 08:29:51PM +0100 Thought this might as well be interesting to other as well, so I copy this to the usual lists. On Thu, Mar 05, 1998 at 08:29:51PM +0100, Harald Koerfgen wrote: > BTW Eine Sache, die ich schon immer wissen wollte, aber nie zu fragen wagte: > > Wie sieht das eigentlich mit der CPU-Abhaengigkeit der glibc aus? > > Ich habe gerade damit anfgefangen, mich mit dem Ramdisk-Support fuer linux/MIPS zu > beschaeftigen und moechte spaeter einmal ein Ramdisk-Image zum Kernel-Image > dazulinken, welches als root gemountet werden soll. Auf diesem moechte ich eine > statisch gelinkte bash unterbringen. Meine eigentliche Frage ist nun, wuerde das mit > der existierenden glibc funktionieren, oder muesste ich eine R3000-spezifische glibc > bauen? All the published userland binaries have been compiled using MIPS ISA 1. The sole exception is glibc. As it is usual for Linux, the MIPS binaries of glibc have been built using the three add-ons crypt, localedata and linuxthreads. In order to be threadsafe LinuxThreads has to use some kind of semaphores etc.. Since it is the natural way of doing things for R6000 and better, I choose to implement this using the ll and sc instructions. For the members of the MIPS CPU family which are lacking these two instructions I suggest to simulate them in the reserved instruction handler. This will work for all uniprocessor systems and using the special hardware which is part of old R2000/R3000 systems it would even be SMP proof - if we ever do R3000 SMP ... It wouldn't be interrupt safe as well. The implementation could roughly look like: unsigned long ll_bit, lladdr; void simulate_ll(struct pt_regs *regs) { unsigned long addr; /* * analyse the ll instruction that just caused a ri exception * and put the referenced address to addr. */ [...] lladdr = addr; ll_bit = 1; regs[reg_to_be_loaded] = *addr; } void simulate_sc(struct pt_regs *regs) { /* * analyse the ll instruction that just caused a ri exception * and put the referenced address to addr. */ [...] lladdr = addr; if (ll_bit = 0) { regs[reg_to_be_stored] = 0; return; } *addr = regs[reg_to_be_loaded]; regs[reg_to_be_loaded] = 1; } The scheduler would have to clear ll_bit on every context switch in order to take care of shared memory and threads sharing their mm_struct. There are for shure better ways of doing this, but this implementation would keep the 100% binary compatibility. The way not to do it is to use sysmips(MIPS_ATOMIC_SET, ...) syscall which would result in the full syscall overhead. Even though Linux's is way less than RISC/OS's ... Ralf From greg@xtp.engr.sgi.com Thu Mar 5 22:58:08 1998 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM [192.48.153.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id WAA01381; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:58:03 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:58:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from xtp.engr.sgi.com ([150.166.75.34]) by sgi.sgi.com (980305.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam) via SMTP id NAA22582; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:57:10 -0800 (PST) mail_from (greg@xtp.engr.sgi.com) Received: by xtp.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id NAA29549; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:57:08 -0800 From: "Greg Chesson" Message-Id: <9803051357.ZM29547@xtp.engr.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:57:08 -0800 In-Reply-To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de "R3000 glibc" (Mar 5, 9:31pm) References: <19980305003010.18771@uni-koblenz.de> <19980305213144.33306@uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de, Harald Koerfgen , linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: R3000 glibc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Interesting indeed: one could implement nested ll-sc sequences by emulation. g From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Fri Mar 6 17:50:21 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id RAA08627; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:50:19 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:50:19 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-14.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.14]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07647 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:50:14 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA24674; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:46:06 +0100 Message-ID: <19980306174605.00092@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:46:05 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@engr.sgi.com Subject: xntp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e Don't run xntpd; there is some bug in the MIPS stuff which locks the machine, only the usual kernel hotkeys are still working. I don't know why or if all platforms are affected. The crash happend on a RM200. The time code is ripe for a complete overhaul anyway ... Ralf From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Fri Mar 6 19:29:05 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id TAA09299; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:29:02 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:29:02 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-18.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.18]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11808 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:28:57 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA24907; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:25:14 +0100 Message-ID: <19980306192514.14435@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:25:14 +0100 To: Trevor Schroeder Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: xntp References: <19980306174605.00092@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from Trevor Schroeder on Fri, Mar 06, 1998 at 11:01:32AM -0600 On Fri, Mar 06, 1998 at 11:01:32AM -0600, Trevor Schroeder wrote: > > Don't run xntpd; there is some bug in the MIPS stuff which locks the > > machine, only the usual kernel hotkeys are still working. I don't > > know why or if all platforms are affected. The crash happend on a > > RM200. The time code is ripe for a complete overhaul anyway ... > > Do tell, what exactly is this bug? I'm using xntpd on a number of non-MIPS > Linux hosts here and I'd like to verify that it's not going to be a problem. I appears as if a syscall never terminates or so. xntpd just hangs in 'R' (running) state in the process table. This happens immediately after starting xntpd from the command line. For now I assume this to be a MIPS only bug - Ulrich Windl posted some NTP4 related patches and that's about everything I heared in the last time related to NTP bugs. So don't worry, I'm going to fix it next week - there is something non-MIPSish on my to-do list that is more urgent ... On the other side xntpd builds right out of the box for Linux/MIPS and that's already good news, given the complexity of the thing and how difficult it builds for IRIX. Ralf From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Fri Mar 6 20:49:28 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA09818; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:49:25 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:49:25 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-11.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.11]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA14686 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:49:10 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA25048; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:45:29 +0100 Message-ID: <19980306204529.39369@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:45:29 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@engr.sgi.com Subject: More ntp ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e Tried xntpd the Indy as well. Xntpd doesn't crash the box but the Indy timekeeping is that flaky that xntpd marks all timeservers as ``insane''. Ralf From tschroed@cheetah.wsc.edu Sat Mar 7 02:41:07 1998 Received: from mung.wayne.esu1.k12.ne.us (tschroed@cis-2511-a1.wsc.edu [192.150.175.187]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id CAA13340; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 02:41:03 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 02:41:03 +0100 (MET) Received: by mung.wayne.esu1.k12.ne.us (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA00887; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:40:30 -0600 Other-Stuff: localhost tschroed@cheetah.wsc.edu tschroed@cheetah.wsc.edu Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:40:30 -0600 (CST) From: Trevor Schroeder X-Sender: tschroed@mung.wsc.edu To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: xntp In-Reply-To: <19980306192514.14435@uni-koblenz.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Mar 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > I appears as if a syscall never terminates or so. xntpd just hangs in 'R' > (running) state in the process table. This happens immediately after > starting xntpd from the command line. For now I assume this to be a MIPS > only bug - Ulrich Windl posted some NTP4 related patches and that's about > everything I heared in the last time related to NTP bugs. So don't worry, > I'm going to fix it next week - there is something non-MIPSish on my to-do > list that is more urgent ... I would agree that it seems to be a MIPS only problem as it's not causing problems on Linux/x86. From harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Tue Mar 10 20:03:51 1998 Received: from ns2.netcologne.de (ns2.netcologne.de [194.8.194.71]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA14295; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:03:47 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:03:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from franz.netcologne.de (max3-182.netcologne.de [194.8.196.182]) by ns2.netcologne.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA27680 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:01:27 GMT X-Ncc-Regid: de.netcologne Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:03:19 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: (Harald Koerfgen) Organization: none Sender: harry@franz.netcologne.de From: (Harald Koerfgen) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: linux-2.14.2.dec is obsolete! Fellow DECstation Hackers, I've got good and bad news for you. First the good one: The DECstation specific stuff is reintegrated into the latest Linux/MIPS source tree which is 2.1.73! This kernel is tested on a kmin and a 3max+ and may work on maxines (I hope). Now the bad one [Hmmm... where's that asbesto suit...]: This Kernel will no longer work on pmax-alike DECstations, which are: DS2100, DS3100, DS5100 and DS5000/200! But relax, a few minor changes and you'll be back :-). I haven't had a chance to make these myself just because I don't have the hardware. Improvements over 2.1.14.2.dec: Well, to be honest, not very much. 2.1.73 dies exactly where the latest 2.1.14 has died before: "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00", but what would you do without device drivers?. On the other hand, it dies in a more cleaningly manner :-). Changes since 2.1.14.2.dec: o Building process: The kernel itself and the "bootloader" code are clearly seperated from each other. The bootloader does no longer use any kernel functionality and the kernel does no longer use any prom_functions (bye bye, prom_printf). The kernel is compiled into ELF format and then converted into an a.out image just like for the other MIPS machines. This kernel image is linked together with the bootloader into an ECOFF image, which can be booted via the DECstation boot PROM. I have added the option "make netboot" to the Makefile to do this. There is no need to remove sections any longer. o Startup Procedure: This netbootable Image (arch/mips/dec/boot/nbImage) will be loaded at address 0x80200000, which leaves enough room to work with compressed kernel images. This might be necessary in the future for certain PROM versions. The kernel itself is then copied down to 0x80000000 and started. This, together with the now no longer needed bootloader, saves nearly 200 KB memory. PROM functions, on the other hand, will no longer work. o Primitive serial console for DECstations with scc chip. o Proper kernel initialization: No more "skipping console-init" or "skipping device_init". o Memory sizing routine for pmax-alike Machines (untested!). o Code cleanup and better integration into the main source tree. Development environment notes: This kernel will not compile anymore with the 2.7.*-binutils. You _do_ need 2.8.1-binutils with support for the a.out-mips-little target. Due to an unresolved linker bug you have to remove the -N option from the final kernel link (in arch/mips/Makefile). Do _not_ use "make menuconfig", it insists on enabling CONFIG_CDROM which results in an unresolved symbol cdrom_init(). Use "make config" instead. You would not see anything unless you enable CONFIG_SERIAL and CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE. Todo: I cannot do this myself, any feedback is appreciated, patches are welcome: o Test if the startup procedure works on pmax machines. o Test and debug the pmax_get_memory routine. o Serial console support for DECstations with the DC7085 chip, or raster console if you like. o Test if serial console works on maxines. The serial console is hardcoded for maxines, regardless of the settings for "console" and "osconsole". If you do not see anything try playing around with tinycon.c o Test if this kernel works so far on R4000 based DECstations. Things I am working on: o Passing command line parameters to the kernel. o Improving serial console for scc chips. o Ramdisk support. o Better interrupt handling code integration. o Turbochannel support. For us all: o Writing device drivers. o Writing device drivers. o And, of course, writing device drivers. I will be uploading my source tree this evening and it should soon appear at: http://decstation.unix-ag.org Stay tuned, Harald From mjhnsn@u.washington.edu Tue Mar 10 20:37:38 1998 Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (root@jason02.u.washington.edu [140.142.76.8]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA14528; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:37:32 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:37:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from dante04.u.washington.edu (mjhnsn@dante04.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.6]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id LAA18220 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:37:23 -0800 Received: from localhost (mjhnsn@localhost) by dante04.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.04) with SMTP id LAA52662 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:37:22 -0800 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:37:22 -0800 (PST) From: Melissa Johnson Reply-To: Melissa Johnson To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: MIPS/Linux and a DECstation 5000/200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My boyfriend and I recently acquired a DECstation 5000/200 at a rummage sale (for $5!), and we'd like to get linux running on it. We've downloaded some of the precompiled kernels from ftp.softway.com.au. The test4 works best - getting past the calibration loop - however, it does this partway through the boot: About to init buffers memsize is: 3fff000 about to vmalloc hash table kmalloc called nonatomically from interrupt 00000000 gfp called nonatomically from interrupt 00000000 gfp called nonatomically from interrupt 00000000 gfp called nonatomically from interrupt 00000000 gfp called nonatomically from interrupt 00000000 Allocating addr: 0xc0000000 vmalloc'd hash table, size is: 1ffb4, addr is: c0000000 about to clear hash table Page fault taken [swapper:0:c0000000:1:80071d38]... couldn't find vma: 0x0 Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address c0000000, epc == 8005455c Oops: 00000001 $0 : 00000000 800d0000 00000000 800d0878 0000000a a0004798 00000000 00000000 $8 : 00000008 00000000 0000004b 0000004c 00000000 00000030 bfe00000 00008320 $16: 00000000 800ddc30 800ddc31 800ddc30 0000000a 0000003e 0000003c 0000004d $24: 00008000 bfc005c8 87a6835e 800d094c 10000801 80054524 epc : 8005455c Status: 10000804 Cause : 00002800 Process swapper (pid: 0, stackpage=800ceae4) Stack: 00000000 00000000 00000010 fffffffe 00000000 (Bad stack address) Call Trace: (Bad address) Code : 00000000 00000000 3c04800d 0c014332 24844314 Aiee, killing interrupt handler kfree of non-kmalloced memory: 800d2b2c, next= 00000000, order=0 kfree of non-kmalloced memory: 800d2b1c, next= 00000000, order=0 kfree of non-kmalloced memory: 800d3030, next= 00000000, order=0 Aiee: scheduling in interrupt 00000000 Aiee: scheduling in interrupt 00000000 .... continues without stopping. Since there weren't any System.map files, we couldn't run it through ksymoops. The other kernels don't get this far. So, we downloaded the 2.1.14.2.dec source off the same site, and attempted to compile it with a crosscompiler. It compiled - kind of. The decstation has no hard drive - so needs an ECOFF kernel to remote boot (according to a Makefile). This causes mkboot.c to not succeed on the image with a "Not an ELF image" error. For this reason (or perhaps some other reason) the image we compiled only boots this far: Found a REX compatible boot PROM! Linux/MIPS DECStation Boot Copyright (C) Paul M. Antoine 1995, 1996, 1997 and others, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997 and it seems the machine reboots. When attempting to use the 2.1.85 source, we couldn't even get it to compile. Any help would be appreciated. Is there a later source than what is on the ftp site? Is anyone currently active fixing DECstations like the one we have? We would like to help in any way we can [coding, testing, or whatever is needed]. Thank you, Melissa (and Michael) From mjhnsn@u.washington.edu Tue Mar 10 20:43:07 1998 Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (root@jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA14592; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:42:57 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:42:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from dante04.u.washington.edu (mjhnsn@dante04.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.6]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id LAA21140 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:42:43 -0800 Received: from localhost (mjhnsn@localhost) by dante04.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.04) with SMTP id LAA51040 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:42:42 -0800 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:42:41 -0800 (PST) From: Melissa Johnson To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: linux-2.14.2.dec is obsolete! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Man! 5 minutes after we send our message we get the info we wanted. Nevermind. *crawls away* Muttering, Melissa Sulking, Michael From robm@gemstone.com Tue Mar 10 23:25:28 1998 Received: from gemstone.com (slcgate.gemstone.com [207.79.207.46]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id XAA15737; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:25:25 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:25:25 +0100 (MET) Received: by gemstone.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv1.gemstone.com by servio.gemstone.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0yCXOm-001H9WC; Tue, 10 Mar 98 14:21 PST Received: by MAILSRV1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:21:27 -0800 Message-ID: <79680FECEC77D1119EEC00A0C984038612C84C@MAILSRV1> From: Rob Mohr To: "'linux-mips@fnet.fr'" Subject: RE: linux-2.14.2.dec is obsolete! Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:21:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Harald, I have a DECstation 3100 with 24MB RAM, color framebuffer, 19 inch color monitor, and a TK50 tape unit. The system is networked to my Pentium 133 system running Windows95. I am willing to help out with this porting effort however I can. My system is currently set up to boot either Ultrix 4.4 or NetBSD 1.3. I have a small (170MB) harddisk that I can use to test Linux kernals and miniroots on. I do not have any experience hacking kernals, but with a little direction I can modify source and recompile tests as needed. Let me know what I might be able to do to help out. Rob Mohr robm@gemstone.com (work) rmohr@triax.com (home) (P.S. Please send replies to both addresses listed above.) > -----Original Message----- > From: harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de > [SMTP:harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de] > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 11:03 AM > To: linux-mips@fnet.fr > Subject: linux-2.14.2.dec is obsolete! > > Fellow DECstation Hackers, > > I've got good and bad news for you. First the good one: > > The DECstation specific stuff is reintegrated into the latest > Linux/MIPS source > tree which is 2.1.73! This kernel is tested on a kmin and a 3max+ and > may > work on maxines (I hope). > > Now the bad one [Hmmm... where's that asbesto suit...]: > > This Kernel will no longer work on pmax-alike DECstations, which are: > DS2100, DS3100, DS5100 and DS5000/200! But relax, a few minor changes > and > you'll be back :-). I haven't had a chance to make these myself just > because I > don't have the hardware. > > Improvements over 2.1.14.2.dec: > > Well, to be honest, not very much. 2.1.73 dies exactly where the > latest 2.1.14 > has died before: "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on > 00:00", but > what would you do without device drivers?. On the other hand, it dies > in a more > cleaningly manner :-). > > Changes since 2.1.14.2.dec: > > o Building process: The kernel itself and the "bootloader" code are > clearly > seperated from each other. The bootloader does no longer use any > kernel > functionality and the kernel does no longer use any prom_functions > (bye bye, > prom_printf). The kernel is compiled into ELF format and then > converted into an > a.out image just like for the other MIPS machines. This kernel image > is linked > together with the bootloader into an ECOFF image, which can be booted > via the > DECstation boot PROM. I have added the option "make netboot" to the > Makefile to > do this. There is no need to remove sections any longer. > > o Startup Procedure: This netbootable Image > (arch/mips/dec/boot/nbImage) will > be loaded at address 0x80200000, which leaves enough room to work with > compressed kernel images. This might be necessary in the future for > certain > PROM versions. The kernel itself is then copied down to 0x80000000 and > started. > This, together with the now no longer needed bootloader, saves nearly > 200 KB > memory. PROM functions, on the other hand, will no longer work. > > o Primitive serial console for DECstations with scc chip. > > o Proper kernel initialization: No more "skipping console-init" or > "skipping > device_init". > > o Memory sizing routine for pmax-alike Machines (untested!). > > o Code cleanup and better integration into the main source tree. > > Development environment notes: > > This kernel will not compile anymore with the 2.7.*-binutils. You _do_ > need > 2.8.1-binutils with support for the a.out-mips-little target. Due to > an > unresolved linker bug you have to remove the -N option from the final > kernel > link (in arch/mips/Makefile). > > Do _not_ use "make menuconfig", it insists on enabling CONFIG_CDROM > which results in > an unresolved symbol cdrom_init(). Use "make config" instead. > > You would not see anything unless you enable CONFIG_SERIAL and > CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE. > > Todo: > > I cannot do this myself, any feedback is appreciated, patches are > welcome: > > o Test if the startup procedure works on pmax machines. > > o Test and debug the pmax_get_memory routine. > > o Serial console support for DECstations with the DC7085 chip, or > raster > console if you like. > > o Test if serial console works on maxines. The serial console is > hardcoded for > maxines, regardless of the settings for "console" and "osconsole". If > you do not see > anything try playing around with tinycon.c > > o Test if this kernel works so far on R4000 based DECstations. > > Things I am working on: > > o Passing command line parameters to the kernel. > > o Improving serial console for scc chips. > > o Ramdisk support. > > o Better interrupt handling code integration. > > o Turbochannel support. > > For us all: > > o Writing device drivers. > > o Writing device drivers. > > o And, of course, writing device drivers. > > I will be uploading my source tree this evening and it should soon > appear at: > > http://decstation.unix-ag.org > > Stay tuned, > Harald From engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de Wed Mar 11 00:13:34 1998 Received: from fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de [141.99.2.230]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id AAA16195; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:13:32 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:13:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from jordan.numerik (jordan [141.99.112.9]) by fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (Mailhost) with SMTP id AAA26009 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:13:17 +0100 (MET) Received: by jordan.numerik (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA20995; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:13:17 +0100 From: engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (Michael Engel) Message-Id: <199803102313.AAA20995@jordan.numerik> Subject: Re: linux-2.14.2.dec is obsolete! To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:13:17 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de" at Mar 10, 98 08:03:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Hi, > Fellow DECstation Hackers, > > I've got good and bad news for you. First the good one: > > The DECstation specific stuff is reintegrated into the latest Linux/MIPS > source tree which is 2.1.73! This kernel is tested on a kmin and a 3max+ > and may work on maxines (I hope). Great ! > I will be uploading my source tree this evening and it should soon appear at: > > http://decstation.unix-ag.org There was a problem with uploading the file to our server, so there will be a little delay ... Harald was only able to transfer about 3 MB. I'll try downloading it to see if I can build a working kernel out of it. Additionally, I'll try to provide the 2.8 binutils needed to compile the new kernel. regards, Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) From chris@t0.or.at Wed Mar 11 17:22:03 1998 Received: from t0.or.at (netbase.t0.or.at [193.170.69.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id RAA25973; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:21:57 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:21:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from cyb3 (cyb3.t0.or.at [193.170.69.7]) by t0.or.at (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA23093 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:23:04 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980311172759.0097bd20@mail.t0.or.at> X-Sender: ckummerer@mail.t0.or.at X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:28:02 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr From: chrismess Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I recently found a ARCSystem MIPS Magnum 4000SC50 in our backroom, a defunct NT3.51 comes up and I'd now really like to install linux on that one. I'm not exactly a kernel hacker though, what I can offer to contribute is some ftp space here in austria and I could work on ports of applications or write /translate documentation in english/german. Do you know this machine ? How hard will it be to get it going ? thanks in advance x Das mach ich doch mit Lynx .... From Beppe@sitek.it Thu Mar 12 18:47:00 1998 Received: from venere.inet.it (venere.inet.it [194.20.8.4]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id SAA04830; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:46:58 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:46:58 +0100 (MET) Received: (from trusted@localhost) by venere.inet.it (8.6.10/8.6.10) id SAA68662 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:46:52 +0100 Message-Id: <199803121746.SAA68662@venere.inet.it> Received: from sitekisdn.inet.it(194.185.135.202) by venere.inet.it via I-SMTP id queue/s-194.185.135.202-UCOrUa; Thu Mar 12 18:46:52 1998 Received: from beppe [192.168.0.101] by sitek.it [192.168.0.10] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP0.R) for ; Thu, 12 Mar 98 18:45:08 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Giuseppe Migliorini" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:52:08 +0100 Subject: Linux Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Hi everybody, I'm developing a new hardware based on R3041. I'm interested to install Linux on it. Is anybody interested in cooperating, writing the necessary drivers for my hardware? Regards G. Migliorini Ing. Giuseppe MIGLIORINI Email beppe@sitek.it WEB Site: www.exor-rd.com SITEK s.p.a. via Monte Pastello n.1 37057 San Giovanni Lupatoto - VERONA - ITALY Tel. +39 45 8750404 - Fax +39 45 8779023 BBS EXOR +39 45 8779080 From harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Thu Mar 12 18:47:57 1998 Received: from ns2.netcologne.de (ns2.netcologne.de [194.8.194.71]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id SAA04885; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:47:55 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:47:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from franz.netcologne.de (max3-139.netcologne.de [194.8.196.139]) by ns2.netcologne.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA02035 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:46:04 GMT X-Ncc-Regid: de.netcologne Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:39:34 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: "Harald Koerfgen" Organization: none Sender: harry@franz.netcologne.de From: Harald Koerfgen To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: FYI printf("Hello World\n"); Thought you might be interested: >>boot 3/tftp root=/dev/ram 854208+103520+99680 Found a REX compatible boot PROM! [lot of stuff snipped] Linux version 2.1.73 (harry@franz) (gcc version 2.7.2) #10 Thu Mar 12 18:25:49 8 POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX Starting kswapd v 1.23 Ramdisk driver initialized : 16 ramdisks of 4096K size RAMDISK: Ext2 filesystem found at block 0 RAMDISK: Loading 100 blocks into ram disk... done. EXT2-fs warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is recommended VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). Warning: unable to open an initial console. Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. --- regards, Harald From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Thu Mar 12 19:33:56 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id TAA05233; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:33:54 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:33:54 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-04.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.4]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08658 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:33:50 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA11027; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:33:36 +0100 Message-ID: <19980312193336.23146@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:33:36 +0100 To: Harald Koerfgen Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: FYI References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from Harald Koerfgen on Thu, Mar 12, 1998 at 06:39:34PM +0100 On Thu, Mar 12, 1998 at 06:39:34PM +0100, Harald Koerfgen wrote: > printf("Hello World\n"); > > Thought you might be interested: > > >>boot 3/tftp root=/dev/ram > 854208+103520+99680 > Found a REX compatible boot PROM! > > [lot of stuff snipped] > > Linux version 2.1.73 (harry@franz) (gcc version 2.7.2) #10 Thu Mar 12 18:25:49 8 > POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX > Starting kswapd v 1.23 > Ramdisk driver initialized : 16 ramdisks of 4096K size > RAMDISK: Ext2 filesystem found at block 0 > RAMDISK: Loading 100 blocks into ram disk... done. > EXT2-fs warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is recommended RTC support borken? > VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). > Warning: unable to open an initial console. > Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. Nice job! The next step on is probably putting something executable on the filesystem. Check out the "Hello, world" program on FNet. It's written in assembler, so you don't have to deal with libraries etc. Ralf From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Thu Mar 12 19:46:57 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id TAA05354; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:46:55 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:46:55 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-04.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.4]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09194 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:46:52 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA11063; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:46:31 +0100 Message-ID: <19980312194629.46973@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:46:29 +0100 To: Giuseppe Migliorini Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Linux References: <199803121746.SAA68662@venere.inet.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199803121746.SAA68662@venere.inet.it>; from Giuseppe Migliorini on Thu, Mar 12, 1998 at 06:52:08PM +0100 On Thu, Mar 12, 1998 at 06:52:08PM +0100, Giuseppe Migliorini wrote: > I'm developing a new hardware based on R3041. I'm interested to > install Linux on it. > Is anybody interested in cooperating, writing the necessary drivers > for my hardware? The R3041 does neither have a TLB nor FPU, so Linux doesn't support it. If you _really_ want to run Linux you'll have to invest some work. You might be interested in checking out the port to mmu-less m68k systems as a base. Ralf From hkoerfg1@ford.com Fri Mar 13 09:42:51 1998 Received: from eccmfw2.ford.com (mailfw2.ford.com [136.1.1.27]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id JAA12645; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:42:49 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:42:49 +0100 (MET) Received: by mailfw2.ford.com id AA04845 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for linux-mips@fnet.fr); Fri, 13 Mar 1998 03:42:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199803130842.AA04845@mailfw2.ford.com> Received: by mailfw2.ford.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Fri, 13 Mar 1998 03:42:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:41:56 +0100 From: Harald Koerfgen Reply-To: hkoerfg1@ford.com Organization: Ford Motor Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: FYI References: <19980312193336.23146@uni-koblenz.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > RAMDISK: Ext2 filesystem found at block 0 > > RAMDISK: Loading 100 blocks into ram disk... done. > > EXT2-fs warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is recommended > > RTC support borken? > Thanks for the hint, Ralf, but I'm afraid the RTC is working well. I simply forgot to take care of the fact that the DEC engineers in their infinite wisdom decided to use the Dallas clock chip as a TOY (Time Of Year) clock. The year register contains either 70 or 71 and putting other values in there will result in a self test failure at power up, and the register will be reset to 70 or 71. In this particular case the kernel mounts a file system which will be created 27 years in the future. If I were the kernel, I'd be confused as well :-). > > VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). > > Warning: unable to open an initial console. > > Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. > > Nice job! > > The next step on is probably putting something executable on the filesystem. > Check out the "Hello, world" program on FNet. It's written in assembler, > so you don't have to deal with libraries etc. Sounds good, I'll try that asap. Harald From foleyj@world.std.com Sat Mar 14 20:52:03 1998 Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA23077; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:52:00 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:52:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id OAA10318; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from world.std.com by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA04763; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:51:48 -0500 Message-Id: <350ADE7E.66BAA0A8@world.std.com> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:46:06 -0500 From: John Foley Reply-To: foleyj@world.std.com Organization: POLLAK Engineered Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Got a box that's not in MILO . . . Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NeTpower FastSeries SP: ARC Vendor ID : [NeTpower] ARC Pruduct ID : [00a0040001530007] ARC System ID : [NeTpower-Falcon-UP] ARC CPU ID : [MIPS-R4600 @ 133 MHz - Pr 32/3.0, Fp 32/32] Processor Type : [R4600 I20 V2.0] Primary ICache Size : [0x4000 Bytes] Primary ICache Line Size : [0x0020 Bytes] Primary DCache Size : [0x4000 Bytes] Primary DCache Line Size : [0x0020 Bytes] Secondary Cache Size : [unknown] ARC System Identified As : Not Identified, Using Default Parameters John From K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com Mon Mar 16 12:25:56 1998 Received: from hermes.research.kpn.com (hermes.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.8]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id MAA08369; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:25:54 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:25:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from sparta.research.kpn.com by research.kpn.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #18053) with SMTP id <01IUQFTK2N0A0018AU@research.kpn.com> for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:27:45 +0200 Received: from sparta.research.kpn.com by sparta.research.kpn.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA06098; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:25:44 +0100 X-URL: http://www-lsdm.research.kpn.com/~karel Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:25:44 +0100 From: "Houten K.H.C. van (Karel)" Subject: Re: linux-2.14.2.dec is obsolete! In-reply-to: "Your message of Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:03:19 +0100." To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Cc: K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com Reply-to: K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com Message-id: <199803161125.MAA06098@sparta.research.kpn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Face: ";:TzQQC{mTp~$W,'m4@Lu1Lu$rtG_~5kvYO~F:C'KExk9o1X"iRz[0%{bq?6Aj#>VhSD?v 1W9`.Qsf+P&*iQEL8&y,RDj&U.]!(R-?c-h5h%Iw%r$|%6+Jc>GTJe!_1&A0o'lC[`I#={2BzOXT1P q366I$WL=;[+SDo1RoIT+a}_y68Y:jQ^xp4=*4-ryiymi>hy Hi all, Harald wrote: > Fellow DECstation Hackers, > > I've got good and bad news for you. First the good one: > > The DECstation specific stuff is reintegrated into the latest Linux/MIPS source > tree which is 2.1.73! This kernel is tested on a kmin and a 3max+ and may > work on maxines (I hope). > > Now the bad one [Hmmm... where's that asbesto suit...]: > > This Kernel will no longer work on pmax-alike DECstations, which are: > DS2100, DS3100, DS5100 and DS5000/200! But relax, a few minor changes and > you'll be back :-). I haven't had a chance to make these myself just because I > don't have the hardware. I'm trying to get a kernel running on a 5000/260. The machine runs currently NETBSD 1.3, but I have not found a linux kernel that will load completely. Any chances for one of the recent developments to improve this? Thanks in advance, -- Karel van Houten KPN Research, The Netherlands Internet: K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Tue Mar 17 23:49:01 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id XAA19596; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:48:59 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:48:59 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-07.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.7]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15568 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:48:54 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA24696; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:48:44 +0100 Message-ID: <19980317234843.10411@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:48:43 +0100 To: linux@engr.sgi.com, linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: MIPS 2.1.89 now in CVS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e Hia, I've upgraded the MIPS port to 2.1.89. Aside of the still unresolved problem in exit_mm() which I've reported some hours ago is seems to be working on Indys. Haven't yet tested the rest of my hardware collection. I'm particularly interested in reports about the NCR53C9x driver on Olivetti M700 / Magnum 4000. Due to a problem with the mailer setup on linux.linux.sgi.com the usual CVS notifier messages to everybody outside of sgi.com have been lost, sorry. Ralf From stano@mail.kolej.mff.cuni.cz Wed Mar 18 12:57:22 1998 Received: from mail.kolej.mff.cuni.cz (mail.kolej.mff.cuni.cz [195.113.25.223]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id MAA25095; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:57:18 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:57:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from beda (beda.kolej.mff.cuni.cz [195.113.24.154]) by mail.kolej.mff.cuni.cz (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA17843 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:56:41 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199803181156.MAA17843@mail.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> From: "Stanislav Visnovsky" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:00:11 +000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: DECstation 500/200 and Linux Reply-to: stano@mail.kolej.mff.cuni.cz X-Confirm-Reading-To: stano@mail.kolej.mff.cuni.cz X-pmrqc: 1 Return-receipt-to: stano@mail.kolej.mff.cuni.cz Priority: normal I would like to help to port Linux to my DECstation 5000/200 with 40MB memory. What's the state of the project? I have tried binaries from ftp sites. I don't know anything about MIPS assembler and I haven't tried to hack the kernel before, but I'm ready to learn. Stano Visnovsky ******************************************************************** Faculty of mathematics and physics Charles University Prague From engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de Fri Mar 20 21:24:36 1998 Received: from fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de [141.99.2.230]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id VAA15049; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:24:34 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:24:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from jordan.numerik (jordan [141.99.112.9]) by fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (Mailhost) with SMTP id VAA05293 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:24:27 +0100 (MET) Received: by jordan.numerik (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA02594; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:24:25 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:24:25 +0100 Message-Id: <199803202024.VAA02594@jordan.numerik> From: Michael Engel To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: (fwd) Boston only: Free Decstation 3100s, 12mb, no monitor/HD I just found this in misc.forsale.computers.workstation Maybe we have someone in the Boston area who would like to have one regards, Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) -- forwarded message -- From: morriss@fas.harvard.edu (Michael Morrissey) Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.workstation Subject: Boston only: Free Decstation 3100s, 12mb, no monitor/HD Date: 20 Mar 1998 04:59:59 GMT Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6est4f$618$1@news.fas.harvard.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: login4.fas.harvard.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: rainbow.hrz.uni-siegen.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!newsfeed.metronet.de!howland.erols.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!news.fas.harvard.edu!morriss Hi. We have 2 Decstation 3100 machines, each with 12 MB RAM, keyboard, mouse, and cables. Hard drives and monitors are not included. If anyone can use these machines, they are free to a good home. Pick up in boston area only. email morriss@fas.harvard.edu -Mike -- end of forwarded message -- From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Sun Mar 22 07:55:24 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id HAA28461; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 07:55:20 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 07:55:20 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-12.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.12]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22228 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 07:55:13 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA04812; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 07:54:52 +0100 Message-ID: <19980322075452.09681@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 07:54:52 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@engr.sgi.com Cc: lm@who.net Subject: Lmbench results for Linux/MIPS 2.1.90 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e Hi all, here is another round of lmbench results. Most notably all benchmarks that depend on the overhead of syscall entry have improved remarkably. For comparison I've included some more machines in the table. The machines: indy: Indy R5000SC 180MHz, 512mb l2 cache, 96mb memory. sv002076: Sun Ultra Enterprise E450, 2 x 296MHz Ultra2 CPUs, 1gb memory (two interleaved). dull: Dell Pentium 200 MMX, 32mb, running Redhat's 2.0.27. tbird: SNI RM200, R4600 133MHz, no second level cache, 32mb memory. I'm thinking about not saving the temporary registers on syscall entry; I'm just not shure if this would break the semantics of ptrace(2). Comments? Btw, it's a shame for Sun than we can beat their numbers on so much weaker hardware. Ralf L M B E N C H 1 . 9 S U M M A R Y ------------------------------------ (Alpha software, do not distribute) Processor, Processes - times in microseconds - smaller is better ---------------------------------------------------------------- Host OS Mhz null null open selct sig sig fork exec sh call I/O stat clos inst hndl proc proc proc --------- ------------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- indy IRIX 6.2 180 2.9 10.0 88 110 2.44K 6.2 36 7.0K 19K 32K sv002076 SunOS 5.5.1 196 2.6 4.7 31 34 0.21K 5.6 48 2.2K 12K 23K dull.coba Linux 2.0.27 200 1.1 1.8 29 44 0.08K 2.5 5 0.8K 5K 15K indy.wald Linux 2.1.73 180 4.5 5.4 24 29 0.11K 7.3 19 18.3K 18K 65K indy.wald Linux 2.1.90 180 1.3 2.1 23 29 0.10K 3.6 10 1.7K 18K 60K tbird.wal Linux 2.1.56 133 6.4 9.2 42 56 0.19K 11.7 26 2.1K 26K 83K Context switching - times in microseconds - smaller is better ------------------------------------------------------------- Host OS 2p/0K 2p/16K 2p/64K 8p/16K 8p/64K 16p/16K 16p/64K ctxsw ctxsw ctxsw ctxsw ctxsw ctxsw ctxsw --------- ------------- ----- ------ ------ ------ ------ ------- ------- indy IRIX 6.2 13 20 135 94 301 143 482 sv002076 SunOS 5.5.1 12 16 14 40 23 48 92 dull.coba Linux 2.0.27 5 52 171 64 244 75 325 indy.wald Linux 2.1.73 1 27 238 322 780 indy.wald Linux 2.1.90 2 36 205 55 655 92 717 tbird.wal Linux 2.1.56 14 176 506 177 516 178 513 *Local* Communication latencies in microseconds - smaller is better ------------------------------------------------------------------- Host OS 2p/0K Pipe AF UDP RPC/ TCP RPC/ TCP ctxsw UNIX UDP TCP conn --------- ------------- ----- ----- ---- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- indy IRIX 6.2 13 62 126 356 718 361 689 1321 sv002076 SunOS 5.5.1 12 48 70 130 118 840 dull.coba Linux 2.0.27 5 19 36 89 212 139 289 1276 indy.wald Linux 2.1.73 1 48 103 105 258 165 412 597 indy.wald Linux 2.1.90 2 15 31 91 251 170 409 581 tbird.wal Linux 2.1.56 14 75 168 351 795 575 1120 1549 File & VM system latencies in microseconds - smaller is better -------------------------------------------------------------- Host OS 0K File 10K File Mmap Prot Page Create Delete Create Delete Latency Fault Fault --------- ------------- ------ ------ ------ ------ ------- ----- ----- indy IRIX 6.2 450 813 1694 2325 3317 23.0K sv002076 SunOS 5.5.1 2083 826 2777 3030 4066 13 8.2K dull.coba Linux 2.0.27 59 4 106 9 7582 2 0.1K indy.wald Linux 2.1.73 112 28 12222 16 0.3K indy.wald Linux 2.1.90 11000 2 0.3K tbird.wal Linux 2.1.56 143 34 15026 0 0.3K *Local* Communication bandwidths in MB/s - bigger is better ----------------------------------------------------------- Host OS Pipe AF TCP File Mmap Bcopy Bcopy Mem Mem UNIX reread reread (libc) (hand) read write --------- ------------- ---- ---- ---- ------ ------ ------ ------ ---- ----- indy IRIX 6.2 33 39 26 23 57 26 54 57 43 sv002076 SunOS 5.5.1 99 134 95 146 156 296 139 157 208 dull.coba Linux 2.0.27 53 29 23 41 121 49 51 123 88 indy.wald Linux 2.1.73 57 18 7 28 60 0 0 0 0 indy.wald Linux 2.1.90 65 26 15 27 60 0 0 0 0 tbird.wal Linux 2.1.56 22 16 4 25 77 38 74 77 56 Memory latencies in nanoseconds - smaller is better (WARNING - may not be correct, check graphs) --------------------------------------------------- Host OS Mhz L1 $ L2 $ Main mem Guesses --------- ------------- --- ---- ---- -------- ------- indy IRIX 6.2 180 11 197 485 sv002076 SunOS 5.5.1 196 6 33 248 dull.coba Linux 2.0.27 200 10 88 146 indy.wald Linux 2.1.73 180 10 250 480 indy.wald Linux 2.1.90 180 10 190 480 tbird.wal Linux 2.1.56 133 15 274 281 No L2 cache? From peter.kuhm@plus.at Sun Mar 22 10:51:49 1998 Received: from profinet (profinet.plus.at [193.186.161.44]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id KAA29477; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:51:46 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:51:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from Vienna-remote45.plus.at (Vienna-remote45.plus.at [193.186.161.111]) by profinet (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ta133451 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:57:20 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980322104708.0069fec4@mail.plus.at> X-Sender: peter.kuhm@mail.plus.at X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:47:08 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr From: Peter Kuhm Subject: Olivetti M700-10 Info's wanted! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, sorry for cluttering the list but I got an ancient Olivetti M700-10 and I'd be glad to hear from someone who has such a machine running and can provide me with his experiences. I'm looking for every info and hint regarding this beast since I'm a real MIPS- and a kind of Linux-Newbie. Currently I'm in the process to get a friend to burn me the Linux-Mips on CDROM - which kernel should I use? (Please respond to me unless you feel your answer would be of interest to the group.) TIA & bye, Peter PS: Is there a List-Archive? -- _____________________________________________ P e t e r K U H M mailto:peter.kuhm@plus.at Phone/Fax: ++43/ 2243/ 36250 AUSTRIA A-3400 Klosterneuburg Albrechtstr. 40 From guy_a@epita.fr Sun Mar 22 16:24:29 1998 Received: from concorde.epita.fr (concorde.epi.net [194.98.116.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id QAA00891; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:24:24 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:24:24 +0100 (MET) From: guy_a@epita.fr Received: from haux.epita.fr [163.5.1.137] by concorde.epita.fr for (SMTP) Paris France Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:30:30 GMT Message-Id: <199803221630.QAA17678@concorde.epita.fr> Received: from daneel.epita.fr [163.5.1.43] by aux.epita.fr for linux-mips@fnet.fr Paris France Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:23:56 GMT Subject: linux-mips on rm200 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:23:55 +0000 (GMT) Organization: inexistant Operating-System: definitely UNIX Postal-Address: earth Function: Unix user Return-Receipt-To: X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text hi, could someone tell me where i can find appropriate files to boot linux on a siemens rm200 ? A base kernel with instruction on how to boot from a floppy disk would help me a lot. thanks -- guy_a@epita.fr www.epita.fr/~guy_a From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Sun Mar 22 20:22:09 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA01822; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:22:06 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:22:06 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-30.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.30]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11522 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:22:02 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA06035; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:21:40 +0100 Message-ID: <19980322202140.44155@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:21:40 +0100 To: Thomas Bogendoerfer , linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: MIPS 2.1.89 now in CVS References: <19980322172150.64018@alpha.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980322172150.64018@alpha.franken.de>; from Thomas Bogendoerfer on Sun, Mar 22, 1998 at 05:21:50PM +0100 > irgendwie mag fnet.fr die zugegeben durch unser Mailsystem verunstaltete > (aber IHMO gueltige) From Adresse nicht. Da Anwort/Frage primaer dich > betreffen, schick ich sie nur an dich. I don't have the holy RFC at hand but if I remember it right unbalanced violate the spec. Anyway, if you want to very if your mail is RFC down to the letter, try mailing Ralph Babel. If you mail bounces, it isn't ;-) > On Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 11:48:43PM +0100, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > I've upgraded the MIPS port to 2.1.89. Aside of the still unresolved > > problem in exit_mm() which I've reported some hours ago is seems to be > > working on Indys. Haven't yet tested the rest of my hardware collection. > > Is the exit_mm() problem still unresolved ? I solved it. There is a couple of superfluous fput calls in fs/binfmt_elf.c Will commit the fix later today along with other bug fixes and performance improvments. Still haven't verified if this is a bug in our private version or in Linus' version as well. The bad new is that I still haven't been able to track down the case of memory corruption that is plaguing the Indy. > > I'm particularly interested in reports about the NCR53C9x driver on > > Olivetti M700 / Magnum 4000. > > works so far. But I can't say much, because fsck bombs out due to the > exit_mm() problem. But detection of the scsi devices and mounting the root > filesystem works. Ok. The Indy driver also survived the switch to the new SCSI midlevel code, so everything went alot smother than initially reading the SCSI code made me believe. Ralf From hodgen@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Sun Mar 22 20:33:21 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA01946; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:33:15 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:33:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11949 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:33:05 +0100 (MET) From: Wayne Hodgen Message-Id: <199803221933.UAA11949@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/KO-2.0) id UAA14428; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:29:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Olivetti M700-10 Info's wanted! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980322104708.0069fec4@mail.plus.at> from Peter Kuhm at "Mar 22, 98 10:47:08 am" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:29:47 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL37 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, > sorry for cluttering the list but I got an ancient Olivetti M700-10 > and I'd be glad to hear from someone who has such a machine > running and can provide me with his experiences. I'm looking Easy. Ralf has 2 hard disks of mine. We've gotten close to "getting a system on them and haveing a go at it" several times. The problem is Ralf still has the disks... anything on them yet Ralf??? ;) > for every info and hint regarding this beast since I'm a real MIPS- > and a kind of Linux-Newbie. Currently I'm in the process to get > a friend to burn me the Linux-Mips on CDROM - which kernel > should I use? (Please respond to me unless you feel your answer > would be of interest to the group.) Ralf will have to answer that. I doubt there's one that will work straight of for you but I'd love to be pleasantly suprised. Ciao -- Wayne Hodgen | hodgen@uni-koblenz.de | #include From wje@fir.engr.sgi.com Mon Mar 23 06:30:51 1998 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM [192.48.153.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id GAA06068; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:30:48 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:30:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam) via ESMTP id VAA25412; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:30:11 -0800 (PST) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980205.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id VAA2583327; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id VAA12819; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:30:05 -0800 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:30:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199803230530.VAA12819@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, lm@who.net Subject: Re: Lmbench results for Linux/MIPS 2.1.90 In-Reply-To: <19980322075452.09681@uni-koblenz.de> References: <19980322075452.09681@uni-koblenz.de> ralf@uni-koblenz.de writes: > Hi all, > > here is another round of lmbench results. Most notably all benchmarks > that depend on the overhead of syscall entry have improved remarkably. > For comparison I've included some more machines in the table. > > The machines: > > indy: Indy R5000SC 180MHz, 512mb l2 cache, 96mb memory. > sv002076: Sun Ultra Enterprise E450, 2 x 296MHz Ultra2 CPUs, > 1gb memory (two interleaved). > dull: Dell Pentium 200 MMX, 32mb, running Redhat's 2.0.27. > tbird: SNI RM200, R4600 133MHz, no second level cache, 32mb memory. > > I'm thinking about not saving the temporary registers on syscall entry; > I'm just not shure if this would break the semantics of ptrace(2). ... UMIPS-BSD (4.3 BSD on the MIPS M/1000) did not save the temporary registers on syscall(). It did, of course, save them on interrupts, so preemption left the registers valid. I don't see why saving the registers on syscall should affect ptrace(), since the ptrace() caller is acting on another process, which will have saved all its registers if preempted. That change ought to let the R5000 beat the Pentium, despite the Indy's miserable memory latency. From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Mon Mar 23 06:55:40 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id GAA06214; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:55:38 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:55:38 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-21.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.21]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA06242 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:55:34 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA07866; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:55:16 +0100 Message-ID: <19980323065516.23188@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:55:16 +0100 To: "William J. Earl" Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, lm@who.net Subject: Re: Lmbench results for Linux/MIPS 2.1.90 References: <19980322075452.09681@uni-koblenz.de> <199803230530.VAA12819@fir.engr.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199803230530.VAA12819@fir.engr.sgi.com>; from William J. Earl on Sun, Mar 22, 1998 at 09:30:05PM -0800 On Sun, Mar 22, 1998 at 09:30:05PM -0800, William J. Earl wrote: > > I'm thinking about not saving the temporary registers on syscall entry; > > I'm just not shure if this would break the semantics of ptrace(2). > ... > > UMIPS-BSD (4.3 BSD on the MIPS M/1000) did not save the temporary > registers on syscall(). It did, of course, save them on interrupts, > so preemption left the registers valid. I don't see why saving the > registers on syscall should affect ptrace(), since the ptrace() > caller is acting on another process, which will have saved all its > registers if preempted. That change ought to let the R5000 beat > the Pentium, despite the Indy's miserable memory latency. Yeah, let's make some nice benchmarks that are going to fry the borg :-) Given that we have that many registers I think we might reach the magic 1.0 microseconds. It's just 56 cycles we need to get from somewhere ... I was thinking about ptrace(2) because on Linux it has an option (PF_TRACESYS) where the tracee is only stopped on syscalls. Anyway, the lost registers are just temporary registers, so away with 'em ... Ralf From Matt.Foster@diverseylever.com Mon Mar 23 11:10:30 1998 Received: from hydra.ps.u1295.unilever.com (inet04.unilever.com [194.60.106.5]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id LAA07349; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:10:23 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:10:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from gemini.dc.u1973.unilever.com by hydra.ps.u1295.unilever.com with ESMTP; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:10:54 Z Received: from x400-gw.unilever.com by gemini.dc.u1973.unilever.com (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:10:16 +0100 X400-Received: by mta MTAgemini in /c=GB/admd=Telemail/prmd=Unilever/; Relayed; 23 Mar 1998 11:10:16 +0100 X400-Received: by /c=GB/admd=Telemail/prmd=Unilever/; Relayed; 23 Mar 1998 11:10:16 +0100 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=GB/admd=Telemail/prmd=Unilever/; 0748135163508022-MTAgemini] Content-Identifier: 0748135163508022 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Matt.Foster@diverseylever.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <0748135163508022*/c=GB/admd=telemail/prmd=Unilever/o=Unilever/ou=Gemini/ou=ccMail/s=Foster/g=Matt/@MHS> Date: 23 Mar 1998 11:10:16 +0100 From: Matt Foster To: linux-mips@fnet.fr (IPM Return requested) Subject: DS5000/25 Hi, I've just inherited a DEC Station 5000/25. After playing with OpenBSD for a bit I've decided to see how good the Linux port is. I've got binutils 2.8.1 built for cross compile, but am having no luck at all getting gcc built for cross compile. Any tips? Cheers, Matt From hostmaster@netguru.org Mon Mar 23 12:06:04 1998 Received: from sunny.metaworks.net (sunny.metaworks.net [193.158.96.9]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id MAA07637; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:05:59 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:05:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from netguru.org (netguru@[193.158.98.162]) by sunny.metaworks.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18876; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:22:58 +0100 Sender: netguru@sunny.metaworks.net Message-ID: <35164287.12DB8946@netguru.org> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:07:51 +0100 From: Andreas Heilwagen Organization: NetGuru X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: DS5000/25 References: <0748135163508022*/c=GB/admd=telemail/prmd=Unilever/o=Unilever/ou=Gemini/ou=ccMail/s=Foster/g=Matt/@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I testet my DECstation 5000/240 with PMAG-E 3D accelerator with OpenBSD without success. I stopped while netbooting from my linux nfs server. If you get a running kernel, I would be very interested. My customer asked me to follow the OpenBSD path so I have no time/money to roast a linux kernel... Thanx, Andreas Heilwagen. _ __ __ ______ / | / /__ / /_/ ____/_ _________ __ ____ _________ _ / |/ / _ \/ __/ / __/ / / / ___/ / / / / __ \/ ___/ __ `/ / /| / __/ /_/ /_/ / /_/ / / / /_/ / _ / /_/ / / / /_/ / /_/ |_/\___/\__/\____/\__,_/_/ \__,_/ (_)\____/_/ \__, / e-mail: http://netguru.org /____/ From hkoerfg1@ford.com Mon Mar 23 12:53:43 1998 Received: from eccmfw1.ford.com (mailfw1.ford.com [136.1.1.26]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id MAA07839; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:53:36 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:53:36 +0100 (MET) Received: by mailfw1.ford.com id AA16147 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for linux-mips@fnet.fr); Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:53:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199803231153.AA16147@mailfw1.ford.com> Received: by mailfw1.ford.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:53:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:55:09 +0100 From: Harald Koerfgen Reply-To: hkoerfg1@ford.com Organization: Ford Motor Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: DS5000/25 References: <0748135163508022*/c=GB/admd=telemail/prmd=Unilever/o=Unilever/ou=Gemini/ou=ccMail/s=Foster/g=Matt/@MHS> <35164287.12DB8946@netguru.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Andreas Heilwagen wrote: > I testet my DECstation 5000/240 with PMAG-E 3D accelerator with OpenBSD > without success. I stopped while netbooting from my linux nfs server. Did your DECstation die immediately after typing "boot 3/tftp"? If so, your DECstation has a buggy PROM :-(. I had to make similar experiences myself. > If you get a running kernel, I would be very interested. My customer > asked me to follow the OpenBSD path so I have no time/money to roast > a linux kernel... Sad to hear that, we could really need some help. Anyway, you can try to copy the OpenBSD kernel to your bootdrive and boot it via Ultrixboot: "boot 3/rz[your_drive_number]/[path_to_the_OpenBSD_kernel]". This works for my Linux Test Kernels :-). regards, Harald From hkoerfg1@ford.com Mon Mar 23 12:56:54 1998 Received: from eccmfw1.ford.com (mailfw1.ford.com [136.1.1.26]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id MAA07908; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:56:48 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:56:48 +0100 (MET) Received: by mailfw1.ford.com id AA16443 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for linux-mips@fnet.fr); Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:56:42 -0500 Message-Id: <199803231156.AA16443@mailfw1.ford.com> Received: by mailfw1.ford.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:56:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:58:35 +0100 From: Harald Koerfgen Reply-To: hkoerfg1@ford.com Organization: Ford Motor Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: DS5000/25 References: <0748135163508022*/c=GB/admd=telemail/prmd=Unilever/o=Unilever/ou=Gemini/ou=ccMail/s=Foster/g=Matt/@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Matt Foster wrote: > I've just inherited a DEC Station 5000/25. After playing with OpenBSD > for a bit I've decided to see how good the Linux port is. I've got binutils > 2.8.1 built for cross compile, but am having no luck at all getting gcc > built for cross compile. Any tips? You might want to have a look at http://decstation.unix-ag.org. There you'll find precompiled gcc binaries. regards, Harald From Matt.Foster@diverseylever.com Mon Mar 23 12:58:32 1998 Received: from hydra.ps.u1295.unilever.com (inet04.unilever.com [194.60.106.5]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id MAA07941; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:58:26 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:58:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from gemini.dc.u1973.unilever.com by hydra.ps.u1295.unilever.com with ESMTP; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:58:58 Z Received: from x400-gw.unilever.com by gemini.dc.u1973.unilever.com (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:58:21 +0100 X400-Received: by mta MTAgemini in /c=GB/admd=Telemail/prmd=Unilever/; Relayed; 23 Mar 1998 12:58:21 +0100 X400-Received: by /c=GB/admd=Telemail/prmd=Unilever/; Relayed; 23 Mar 1998 12:58:21 +0100 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=GB/admd=Telemail/prmd=Unilever/; 0748135164E5D0F1-MTAgemini] Content-Identifier: 0748135164E5D0F1 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Matt.Foster@diverseylever.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <0748135164E5D0F1*/c=GB/admd=telemail/prmd=Unilever/o=Unilever/ou=Gemini/ou=ccMail/s=Foster/g=Matt/@MHS> Date: 23 Mar 1998 12:58:21 +0100 From: Matt Foster To: linux-mips@fnet.fr (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: DS5000/25 I had some problems with OpenBSD 2.2 booting over the net and an NFS root. You need ALL of tftpd, rarpd, bootpd AND rpc.bootparamd setup correctly to get it to boot, and you can log in. (On my DS 5000/25 at any rate). But device special files don't seem to work properly. ls > /dev/null just hangs the system. I've tried with HP-UX, and Digital UNIX NFS servers, same result. In the end I just hooked the disk up to a linux box and dd'ed the simpleroot image to disk. Matt -----Original Message----- From: hostmaster@netguru.org Sent: Monday, March 23, 1998 12:16 PM To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: DS5000/25 Hello, I testet my DECstation 5000/240 with PMAG-E 3D accelerator with OpenBSD without success. I stopped while netbooting from my linux nfs server. If you get a running kernel, I would be very interested. My customer asked me to follow the OpenBSD path so I have no time/money to roast a linux kernel... Thanx, Andreas Heilwagen. _ __ __ ______ / | / /__ / /_/ ____/_ _________ __ ____ _________ _ / |/ / _ \/ __/ / __/ / / / ___/ / / / / __ \/ ___/ __ `/ / /| / __/ /_/ /_/ / /_/ / / / /_/ / _ / /_/ / / / /_/ / /_/ |_/\___/\__/\____/\__,_/_/ \__,_/ (_)\____/_/ \__, / e-mail: http://netguru.org /____/ From frist@lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de Mon Mar 23 14:17:00 1998 Received: from lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de (frist@lehr.chem.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.66.25]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id OAA08284; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:16:54 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:16:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (frist@localhost) by lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA21240 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:19:26 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:19:25 +0100 (CET) From: Frieder Streffer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Building Problem with Haralds Kernel Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Harald, I've got a problem with your latest DECstation Kernel (2.1.73) and need help or advice. I got the new binutils (2.8.1) and they compiled right out of the box, but when I try to compile the Kernel (gcc 2.7.2, binutils 2.8.1) it breaks during the last ld call mipsel-linux-ld -static -G 0 -T arch/mips/ld.script.little -Ttext 0x80000000 arch/mips/kernel/head.o arch/mips/kernel/init_task.o init/main.o init/version.o \ arch/mips/kernel/kernel.o arch/mips/mm/mm.o kernel/kernel.o mm/mm.o fs/fs.o ipc/ipc.o arch/mips/dec/dec.o \ fs/filesystems.a \ net/network.a \ drivers/block/block.a drivers/char/char.a drivers/misc/misc.a drivers/net/net.a \ arch/mips/lib/lib.a /home/frieder/linux/linux/lib/lib.a arch/mips/lib/lib.a \ -o vmlinux net/network.a(core.o): In function `sock_setsockopt': sock.c(.text+0x3d0): undefined reference to `dev_get' sock.c(.text+0x3d0): relocation truncated to fit: R_MIPS_26 dev_get sock.c(.text+0x40c): undefined reference to `ip_route_output' sock.c(.text+0x40c): relocation truncated to fit: R_MIPS_26 ip_route_output make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 I have no idea about this error and I tried a lot of different configuration but did'nt succied to resolve the problem. Here is the simplest one: CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y CONFIG_DECSTATION=y CONFIG_CPU_R3000=y CONFIG_CPU_LITTLE_ENDIAN=y CONFIG_ELF_KERNEL=y CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y CONFIG_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_CROSSCOMPILE=y It should'nt be to complicated but I do not see the clou. Any Ideas??? Thanx Frieder From harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Mon Mar 23 17:37:58 1998 Received: from ns2.netcologne.de (ns2.netcologne.de [194.8.194.71]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id RAA09077; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:37:55 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:37:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from franz.netcologne.de (max2-8.netcologne.de [194.8.195.8]) by ns2.netcologne.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA00324 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:35:28 GMT X-Ncc-Regid: de.netcologne Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:38:01 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: "Harald Koerfgen" Organization: none Sender: harry@franz.netcologne.de From: Harald Koerfgen To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: RE: Building Problem with Haralds Kernel Hello all, On 23-Mar-98 Frieder Streffer wrote: > I've got a problem with your latest DECstation Kernel (2.1.73) and need > help or advice. [snip] > net/network.a(core.o): In function `sock_setsockopt': > sock.c(.text+0x3d0): undefined reference to `dev_get' > sock.c(.text+0x3d0): relocation truncated to fit: R_MIPS_26 dev_get > sock.c(.text+0x40c): undefined reference to `ip_route_output' > sock.c(.text+0x40c): relocation truncated to fit: R_MIPS_26 ip_route_output > make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 > > I have no idea about this error and I tried a lot of different > configuration but did'nt succied to resolve the problem. I too haven't had success without support networking support. > Here is the simplest one: > CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y > > CONFIG_DECSTATION=y > CONFIG_CPU_R3000=y > > CONFIG_CPU_LITTLE_ENDIAN=y > CONFIG_ELF_KERNEL=y > CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y > > CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y > CONFIG_PROC_FS=y > > CONFIG_CROSSCOMPILE=y > > It should'nt be to complicated but I do not see the clou. > > Any Ideas??? Here is (the necessary part of) my .config file: CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y CONFIG_DECSTATION=y CONFIG_CPU_R3000=y CONFIG_CPU_LITTLE_ENDIAN=y CONFIG_ELF_KERNEL=y CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_NET=y CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y CONFIG_SYSCTL=y CONFIG_UNIX=y CONFIG_INET=y CONFIG_IP_NOSR=y CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y CONFIG_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_SERIAL=y CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_CROSSCOMPILE=y This works for me. > > Thanx > > Frieder --- regards, Harald From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Mon Mar 23 19:28:47 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id TAA09674; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:28:44 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:28:44 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-26.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.26]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16608 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:28:25 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA09039; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:28:15 +0100 Message-ID: <19980323192814.06406@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:28:14 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Building Problem with Haralds Kernel References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from Frieder Streffer on Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 02:19:25PM +0100 On Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 02:19:25PM +0100, Frieder Streffer wrote: > Hi Harald, > > I've got a problem with your latest DECstation Kernel (2.1.73) and need > help or advice. > I got the new binutils (2.8.1) and they compiled right out of the box, but > when I try to compile the Kernel (gcc 2.7.2, binutils 2.8.1) it breaks > during the last ld call > > mipsel-linux-ld -static -G 0 -T arch/mips/ld.script.little -Ttext 0x80000000 arch/mips/kernel/head.o arch/mips/kernel/init_task.o init/main.o init/version.o \ > arch/mips/kernel/kernel.o arch/mips/mm/mm.o kernel/kernel.o mm/mm.o fs/fs.o ipc/ipc.o arch/mips/dec/dec.o \ > fs/filesystems.a \ > net/network.a \ > drivers/block/block.a drivers/char/char.a drivers/misc/misc.a drivers/net/net.a \ > arch/mips/lib/lib.a /home/frieder/linux/linux/lib/lib.a arch/mips/lib/lib.a \ > -o vmlinux > net/network.a(core.o): In function `sock_setsockopt': > sock.c(.text+0x3d0): undefined reference to `dev_get' That one is strange. dev_get is defined in net/core/dev.c. Are the object file net/core/dev.o or net/core/core.o corrupted? Maybe as/ld dumped core while writing these object files to the disk? This occasiaonally produces such strange acting object files. > sock.c(.text+0x3d0): relocation truncated to fit: R_MIPS_26 dev_get > sock.c(.text+0x40c): undefined reference to `ip_route_output' That one should be defined as well. > sock.c(.text+0x40c): relocation truncated to fit: R_MIPS_26 ip_route_output > make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 R_MIPS_26 relocations are the relocation that is being used for jumps. On MIPS the jump instructions (j and jal) can reach any destination which has the the highest four bits the same as the current program counter. The error message you are seeing indicates that some jump is trying to reach a destination beyond what is reachable. This does not happen when building the kernel. Ralf From cyron@cyrondesign.com Mon Mar 23 20:22:05 1998 Received: from cd.cyrondesign.com (root@cyrondesign.com [209.122.44.246]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA09973; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:22:01 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:22:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from cyron (rotary448-pri.voicenet.com [209.71.55.48]) by cd.cyrondesign.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA12001 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:21:33 -0500 From: "Cyron Green" To: Subject: Do You see the Nec RiscServer being supported any time soon? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:22:06 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd5690$f7dd3270$ddf6e8c6@cyron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I have a Nec RiscServer, and well M$ isn't going to support it anymore. Plus I wanted a Unix os, and it seems both linux and OpenBSD don't support the Nec. Is there any Alpha, anything that I can put on it, besides WindowsNT? Thanks Cyron From incho@ics-support.com Mon Mar 23 21:53:34 1998 Received: from goofy.iswnet.com (goofy.iswnet.com [206.129.243.10]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id VAA11119; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:53:31 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:53:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from ics-support.com (icss [207.149.83.4]) by iswnet.com (8.8.5/SCO5) with SMTP id MAA01408 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:51:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.149.83.25] by icss.ics-support.com id aa29765; 23 Mar 98 12:49 PST Message-ID: <000a01bd569e$3b0bea20$195395cf@incho.ics-support.com> From: InCho Chong To: linux-mips@fnet.fr MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at icss.ics-support.com Subject: Re: Do You see the Nec RiscServer being supported any time soon? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:57:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I also have a NEC RISCstation 2000 with NT 4.0 on it, problem is that there is almost no applicatiions supported under MIPS platform even on NT 4.0. Thus, I am also looking for Linux or OpenBSD that will run on this machine. InCho Chong -----Original Message----- From: Cyron Green To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 11:27 AM Subject: Do You see the Nec RiscServer being supported any time soon? >I have a Nec RiscServer, and well M$ isn't going to support it anymore. >Plus I wanted a Unix os, and it seems both linux and OpenBSD don't support >the Nec. >Is there any Alpha, anything that I can put on it, besides WindowsNT? > Thanks > Cyron > From stuarta@foxboro.com.au Mon Mar 23 22:45:38 1998 Received: from lnagate.foxboro.com.au (lnagate.foxboro.com.au [202.12.113.254]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id WAA11488; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:45:34 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:45:34 +0100 (MET) X-Received: (qmail 28587 invoked from network); 23 Mar 1998 21:45:25 -0000 Received: from netgate.foxln.com.au (HELO netgate.foxboro.com.au) (qmailr@202.12.114.239) by gatekeeper.foxln.com.au with SMTP; 23 Mar 1998 21:45:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 6726 invoked by uid 320); 23 Mar 1998 21:45:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19980324084524.22711@foxboro.com.au> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:45:24 +1100 From: Stuart Auchterlonie To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: DS5000/25 References: <0748135163508022*/c=GB/admd=telemail/prmd=Unilever/o=Unilever/ou=Gemini/ou=ccMail/s=Foster/g=Matt/@MHS> <199803231156.AA16443@mailfw1.ford.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199803231156.AA16443@mailfw1.ford.com>; from Harald Koerfgen on Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 12:58:35PM +0100 On Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 12:58:35PM +0100, Harald Koerfgen wrote: > Hello, > > Matt Foster wrote: > > > I've just inherited a DEC Station 5000/25. After playing with OpenBSD > > for a bit I've decided to see how good the Linux port is. I've got binutils > > 2.8.1 built for cross compile, but am having no luck at all getting gcc > > built for cross compile. Any tips? > > You might want to have a look at http://decstation.unix-ag.org. There > you'll find precompiled gcc binaries. I'm trying to run things off an ultra sparc under slowaris 2.6 so I have to roll my own. Binutils I have built fine. gcc bombs out when trying to build libgcc2.a with ./libgcc2.c:1419: stdio.h: No such file or directory make[2]: *** [libgcc2.a] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/stuarta/build/gcc-2.7.2' make[1]: *** [stmp-multilib-sub] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/stuarta/build/gcc-2.7.2' make: *** [stmp-multilib] Error 1 Now is there something silly I have missed or do I have to stick the libc headers somewhere they can be found ??? Stuart Auchterlonie stuarta@foxboro.com.au > > regards, > Harald > From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Tue Mar 24 03:37:15 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id DAA14265; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 03:37:13 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 03:37:13 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-20.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.20]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA14325 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 03:37:09 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA10295; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:32:59 +0100 Message-ID: <19980324023258.18113@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:32:58 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: DS5000/25 References: <0748135163508022*/c=GB/admd=telemail/prmd=Unilever/o=Unilever/ou=Gemini/ou=ccMail/s=Foster/g=Matt/@MHS> <199803231156.AA16443@mailfw1.ford.com> <19980324084524.22711@foxboro.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980324084524.22711@foxboro.com.au>; from Stuart Auchterlonie on Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 08:45:24AM +1100 On Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 08:45:24AM +1100, Stuart Auchterlonie wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 12:58:35PM +0100, Harald Koerfgen wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Matt Foster wrote: > > > > > I've just inherited a DEC Station 5000/25. After playing with OpenBSD > > > for a bit I've decided to see how good the Linux port is. I've got binutils > > > 2.8.1 built for cross compile, but am having no luck at all getting gcc > > > built for cross compile. Any tips? > > > > You might want to have a look at http://decstation.unix-ag.org. There > > you'll find precompiled gcc binaries. > > I'm trying to run things off an ultra sparc under slowaris 2.6 so I > have to roll my own. Binutils I have built fine. gcc bombs out when > trying to build libgcc2.a with > > ./libgcc2.c:1419: stdio.h: No such file or directory > make[2]: *** [libgcc2.a] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/stuarta/build/gcc-2.7.2' > make[1]: *** [stmp-multilib-sub] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/stuarta/build/gcc-2.7.2' > make: *** [stmp-multilib] Error 1 > > Now is there something silly I have missed or do I have to stick > the libc headers somewhere they can be found ??? Welcome to the world of bootstrap problems. You're right in that you have to install the libc headers. You can rip the from one of the binary tarballs or rpms. Put them into //include/. You'll also have to create the usual links asm and linux pointing to a configured kernel source tree. Finally you'll have to intall the .o files from the tarball/rpm to //lib/. Ralf From Matt.Foster@diverseylever.com Tue Mar 24 13:25:58 1998 Received: from hydra.ps.u1295.unilever.com (inet04.unilever.com [194.60.106.5]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id NAA17306; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:25:54 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:25:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from gemini.dc.u1973.unilever.com by hydra.ps.u1295.unilever.com with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:25:52 Z Received: from x400-gw.unilever.com by gemini.dc.u1973.unilever.com (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:25:14 +0100 X400-Received: by mta MTAgemini in /c=GB/admd=Telemail/prmd=Unilever/; Relayed; 24 Mar 1998 13:25:10 +0100 X400-Received: by /c=GB/admd=Telemail/prmd=Unilever/; Relayed; 24 Mar 1998 13:25:10 +0100 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=GB/admd=Telemail/prmd=Unilever/; 0464D3517A626167-MTAgemini] Content-Identifier: 0464D3517A626167 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Matt.Foster@diverseylever.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <0464D3517A626167*/c=GB/admd=telemail/prmd=Unilever/o=Unilever/ou=Gemini/ou=ccMail/s=Foster/g=Matt/@MHS> Date: 24 Mar 1998 13:25:10 +0100 From: Matt Foster To: linux-mips@fnet.fr (IPM Return requested) Subject: Problems booting Haralds Kernel OK, I've got Haralds kernel compiled, and done the objcopy --remove-section=.reginfo .... (.mdebug .fixup __ex_tab) (without doing this, it give IO timeouts) Trying to boot via tftp I get : ?IO: 3/tftp, neg lseek (0,76) 1126400 and then hang Trying to boot from HD (OpenBSD partition) I get 3/rz1/vmlinux : bad magic 30162 DS5000/25 help?! Config options are CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y CONFIG_DECSTATION=y CONFIG_CPU_R3000=y CONFIG_CPU_LITTLE_ENDIAN=y CONFIG_ECOFF_KERNEL=y CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_NET=y CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y CONFIG_SYSCTL=y CONFIG_PACKET=y CONFIG_NETLINK=y CONFIG_FIREWALL=y CONFIG_UNIX=y CONFIG_INET=y CONFIG_IP_FIREWALL=y CONFIG_IP_TRANSPARENT_PROXY=y CONFIG_IP_ALWAYS_DEFRAG=y CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE=y CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_ICMP=y CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_IPAUTOFW=y CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_IPPORTFW=y CONFIG_IP_NOSR=y CONFIG_SCSI=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y CONFIG_SCSI_GENERIC_NCR5380=y CONFIG_SCSI_G_NCR5380_PORT=y CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C406A=y CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y CONFIG_LANCE=y CONFIG_PPP=y CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y CONFIG_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_NFS_FS=y CONFIG_SUNRPC=y CONFIG_LOCKD=y CONFIG_SMB_FS=y CONFIG_SERIAL=y CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_CROSSCOMPILE=y From ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Mar 24 14:38:05 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id OAA17568; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:37:49 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:37:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from zaphod (ralf@zaphod.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.13]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA15476; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:37:03 +0100 (MET) Received: by zaphod (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id OAA06158; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:37:01 +0100 Message-ID: <19980324143701.14856@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:37:01 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Matt Foster Cc: IPM Return requested Subject: Re: Problems booting Haralds Kernel References: <0464D3517A626167*/c=GB/admd=telemail/prmd=Unilever/o=Unilever/ou=Gemini/ou=ccMail/s=Foster/g=Matt/@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <0464D3517A626167*/c=GB/admd=telemail/prmd=Unilever/o=Unilever/ou=Gemini/ou=ccMail/s=Foster/g=Matt/@MHS>; from Matt Foster on Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 01:25:10PM +0100 On Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 01:25:10PM +0100, Matt Foster wrote: > I've got Haralds kernel compiled, and done the > objcopy --remove-section=.reginfo .... (.mdebug .fixup __ex_tab) > > (without doing this, it give IO timeouts) Removing any of the sections except .reginfo is completly broken. You are removing vital kernel information. If the DECstation loader is really too dumb to deal with those sections you might try creating a linker script that joins .fixup and __ex_tab at the end of .data or so. Ralf From harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Tue Mar 24 17:07:38 1998 Received: from ns2.netcologne.de (ns2.netcologne.de [194.8.194.71]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id RAA18652; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:07:35 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:07:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from franz.netcologne.de ([194.8.195.122]) by ns2.netcologne.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA13379; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:05:13 GMT X-Ncc-Regid: de.netcologne Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980324143701.14856@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:07:48 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: "Harald Koerfgen" Organization: none Sender: harry@franz.netcologne.de From: Harald Koerfgen To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Problems booting Haralds Kernel Cc: Matt Foster Hello all, On 24-Mar-98 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 01:25:10PM +0100, Matt Foster wrote: > >> I've got Haralds kernel compiled, and done the >> objcopy --remove-section=.reginfo .... (.mdebug .fixup __ex_tab) >> >> (without doing this, it give IO timeouts) Matt, what kernel do you use? As of linux-2.1.73 removing any sections from the kernel image is no longer needed. Maybe I should have pointed this out more clearly while announcing the 2.1.73 kernel. > > Removing any of the sections except .reginfo is completly broken. You > are removing vital kernel information. If the DECstation loader > is really too dumb to deal with those sections you might try creating > a linker script that joins .fixup and __ex_tab at the end of .data or > so. > > Ralf Been there, done that :-). You _do_ need the 2.8.1 binutils _with_ support for the "a.out-mips-little" format. This is _not_ build in by default for the mips*-linux target, you have to edit "binutils-2.8.1/bfd/config.bfd" before building the binutils. When your setup is correct, type "make netboot" instead of "make vmlinux" and you will find a netbootable ECOFF image in "linux/arch/mips/dec/boot" with the name "nbImage". Keep hacking :-). --- regards, Harald From ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Mar 24 17:25:24 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id RAA18878; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:25:17 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:25:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from zaphod (ralf@zaphod.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.13]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA28378; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:25:12 +0100 (MET) Received: by zaphod (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id RAA29983; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:25:09 +0100 Message-ID: <19980324172509.37032@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:25:09 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Harald Koerfgen Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, Matt Foster Subject: Re: Problems booting Haralds Kernel References: <19980324143701.14856@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Harald Koerfgen on Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 05:07:48PM +0100 On Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 05:07:48PM +0100, Harald Koerfgen wrote: > Been there, done that :-). You _do_ need the 2.8.1 binutils _with_ support for the > "a.out-mips-little" format. This is _not_ build in by default for the mips*-linux > target, you have to edit "binutils-2.8.1/bfd/config.bfd" before building the > binutils. When your setup is correct, type "make netboot" instead of "make vmlinux" > and you will find a netbootable ECOFF image in "linux/arch/mips/dec/boot" with the > name "nbImage". Harald, I removed the support for a.out targets because I didn't see any point in carrying it around anymore. Is using a.out just a temporary hack or do you wish to revive a.out in the standard binutils sources which I'm distributing? I think I should warn you about that crossformat linking is very broken and fixing all the problem cases is that tough that some people at Cygnus don't want to fix it if you threaten them by weapon force. In short, the best is to leave things as they are. Link ELF -> ELF only and use some simple converter like mkboot or the one in the Milo sources to generate a.out / ECOFF binaries. Btw, reading the code to switch context on R2000 / R3000 machines I found that it is completly broken. I fixed parts of it but I doubt that it is working correctly. Ralf From harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Wed Mar 25 16:40:05 1998 Received: from ns2.netcologne.de (ns2.netcologne.de [194.8.194.71]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id QAA27716; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:40:00 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:40:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from franz.netcologne.de (max1-93.netcologne.de [194.8.196.93]) by ns2.netcologne.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA23526; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:37:21 GMT X-Ncc-Regid: de.netcologne Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980324172509.37032@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:39:59 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: "Harald Koerfgen" Organization: none Sender: harry@franz.netcologne.de From: Harald Koerfgen To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Subject: Re: Problems booting Haralds Kernel Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr Hi Ralf, On 24-Mar-98 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > Harald, I removed the support for a.out targets because I didn't see any > point in carrying it around anymore. Is using a.out just a temporary > hack or do you wish to revive a.out in the standard binutils sources > which I'm distributing? Using a.out _is_ a temporary hack until we have a disk bootloader up and running. IMHO there is no need to revive a.out. > I think I should warn you about that crossformat linking is very broken > and fixing all the problem cases is that tough that some people at Cygnus > don't want to fix it if you threaten them by weapon force. In short, the > best is to leave things as they are. Link ELF -> ELF only and use some > simple converter like mkboot or the one in the Milo sources to generate > a.out / ECOFF binaries. Oops, looks like I'm lucky not having encountered any problems so far :-). After making some experiments with elf2ecoff without success, linking the a.out Image which mkboot builds with some startup code seemed to be the easiest solution to me. Anyway, this will become superfluid when we have a real bootloader (tm). > Btw, reading the code to switch context on R2000 / R3000 machines I found > that it is completly broken. I fixed parts of it but I doubt that it is > working correctly. cvs commit? --- regards, Harald From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Thu Mar 26 02:15:09 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id CAA02092; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:15:07 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:15:07 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-18.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.18]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA00255 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:15:01 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA01748; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:14:50 +0100 Message-ID: <19980326021448.24136@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:14:48 +0100 To: Harald Koerfgen Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Problems booting Haralds Kernel References: <19980324172509.37032@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from Harald Koerfgen on Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 04:39:59PM +0100 On Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 04:39:59PM +0100, Harald Koerfgen wrote: > > Btw, reading the code to switch context on R2000 / R3000 machines I found > > that it is completly broken. I fixed parts of it but I doubt that it is > > working correctly. > > cvs commit? Will commit it as soon as I fixed another bunch of changes which also affect r2300_switch.S. Ralf From anansi@sdv.fr Thu Mar 26 09:30:35 1998 Received: from factorix.sdv.fr (factorix.sdv.fr [194.206.196.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id JAA04502; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:30:34 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:30:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from 192.70.99.169 (assistanum.sdv.fr [192.70.99.169]) by factorix.sdv.fr (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA12985 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:30:05 +0100 Message-ID: <351A131E.18E9@sdv.fr> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:34:41 +0100 From: Vincent THOMAS Reply-To: anansi@sdv.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bonjour, Je me permet de vous ecrire car je cherche une info et je n'arrive pas à trouver la réponse à ma question. En fait je souhaiterai savoir s'il existe une version de Linux pour les machines SGI Personal Iris 4D/25 (à base de R3000 donc) Je sais qu'un developpement pour les vieilles machines à base de R3000 avait été commencé mais ca n'as pas l'air d'avancer et je ne sais pas si cela pour etre utilisable pour cette machine. Merci d'avance si vous pouvez me renseigner Cordialement Vincent THOMAS anansi@sdv.fr From frist@lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de Thu Mar 26 10:47:01 1998 Received: from lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de (frist@lehr.chem.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.66.25]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id KAA04839; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:46:58 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:46:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (frist@localhost) by lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA25398 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:49:51 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:49:51 +0100 (CET) From: Frieder Streffer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: RE: Building Problem with Haralds Kernel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Harald, Hi Ralf, thanx again for your advice. The Kernel boots fine and the memory sizing routine does work for the DS2100/3100. I will hopefully find time during the weekend to incorporate the rasterconsoledriver (still only a hack but better than nothing) I have. regards Frieder From kristoff.bonne@skynet.be Thu Mar 26 21:26:36 1998 Received: from thor.private (root@pppdialup11veu.interpac.be [194.78.249.12] (may be forged)) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id VAA09497; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:26:32 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:26:32 +0100 (MET) From: kristoff.bonne@skynet.be Received: from thor.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thor.private (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA00618 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:28:19 +0100 Message-Id: <199803262028.VAA00618@thor.private> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:28:09 +0100 (MET) Sender: Kristoff BONNE Reply-To: kristoff.bonne@skynet.be Subject: (forward from OpenBSD announce):support for OpenBSD/pmax to be drop ped To: linux-mips@fnet.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; BOUNDARY="-1463811840-269167349-890944102=:615" ---1463811840-269167349-890944102=:615 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Greetings, This is a message I've just received from the OpenBSD announce-list. It looks like -as support for OpenBSD/pmax will be dropped- production quality linux/MIPS could become more important; especially for owner of older dec-hardware. --- begin import | From: Thomas Graichen Subject: ANNOUNCE: no 2.3 | release of OpenBSD/pmax Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:33:58 +0100 (MET) | To: announce@openbsd.org | | i just want to tell all the users of OpenBSD/pmax that there will be | no 2.3 release of OpenBSD for the pmax platform - and as far as no | other jumps in for maintaining the OpenBSD/pmax port it will die - | i'll no longer do anything on it because theo decided that it is not | worth it (due to the bad quality it has at the moment - maybe you can | compare that with your experiences with OpenBSD/pmax) and the fact | that nobody else (aside from maja - thanks to you) ever did anything | on the pmax and other reasons i don't want to mention here in detail | - i'm very sorry about that - it was fun to help all the people | getting their pmaxes running - sorry Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. -- Kr. Bonne - Bredene BEL Member of the linux/GNU-community. ---1463811840-269167349-890944102=:615 Content-Type: APPLICATION/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.3i iQCVAwUBNRq6X6GsfnIQ22XBAQGgPAP8CUfH3t98+CJ5gHV9xZ3z6p8W/b6QLenj 9S6Pa1Dg6RBrR1UunAsMnTOnEguAuirq4g/ODJqcqBkyF7ZQ/41fiHxbKQJ0hynn B7CsJBQgpgBpgc33AjTmPofUGZWaewxXfM9cpjh1dudnpKnQEMSgRTLjegcc8Iva RW9jleueW3k= =vBvP -----END PGP MESSAGE----- ---1463811840-269167349-890944102=:615-- From imp@village.org Fri Mar 27 00:46:19 1998 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id AAA11587; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:46:15 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:46:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yIMLS-0001nG-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:46:02 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA06808 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:46:42 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803262346.QAA06808@harmony.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: (forward from OpenBSD announce):support for OpenBSD/pmax to be drop ped In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:28:09 +0100." <199803262028.VAA00618@thor.private> References: <199803262028.VAA00618@thor.private> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:46:41 -0700 From: Warner Losh In message <199803262028.VAA00618@thor.private> kristoff.bonne@skynet.be writes: : This is a message I've just received from the OpenBSD announce-list. : It looks like -as support for OpenBSD/pmax will be dropped- production : quality linux/MIPS could become more important; especially for owner of : older dec-hardware. The message that was sent to the OpenBSD announce list was not as clear as it could have been. Theo de Raadt is taking over the production and maintance of the OpenBSD/pmax release. Warner From K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com Mon Mar 30 10:54:31 1998 Received: from hermes.research.kpn.com (hermes.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.8]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id KAA08487; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:54:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:54:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sparta.research.kpn.com by research.kpn.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #18053) with SMTP id <01IV9WNZWSEK0007KJ@research.kpn.com> for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:54:40 +0200 Received: from sparta.research.kpn.com by sparta.research.kpn.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA23315; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:54:18 +0200 X-URL: http://www-lsdm.research.kpn.com/~karel Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:54:18 +0200 From: "Houten K.H.C. van (Karel)" Subject: Compiling a cross-development env. for DECstations To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, hkoerfg1@ford.com Reply-to: K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com Message-id: <199803300854.KAA23315@sparta.research.kpn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Face: ";:TzQQC{mTp~$W,'m4@Lu1Lu$rtG_~5kvYO~F:C'KExk9o1X"iRz[0%{bq?6Aj#>VhSD?v 1W9`.Qsf+P&*iQEL8&y,RDj&U.]!(R-?c-h5h%Iw%r$|%6+Jc>GTJe!_1&A0o'lC[`I#={2BzOXT1P q366I$WL=;[+SDo1RoIT+a}_y68Y:jQ^xp4=*4-ryiymi>hy Hi all, Can someone please help me with the configuration of binutils and gcc for the DECstation targets, running on intel linux. I want to compile linux kernels for DECstations on my intel system, and boot the DECstation over tftp. I seem te have troubles getting the correct architectures configured for binutils and gcc (error while compiling the cross-compiler). Thanks in advance, -- Karel van Houten KPN Research, The Netherlands Internet: K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Tue Mar 31 08:53:07 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id IAA17644; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:53:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:53:05 +0200 (MET DST) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-23.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.23]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15226 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:52:58 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA03382; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:52:21 +0200 Message-ID: <19980331085220.54426@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:52:20 +0200 To: "Houten K.H.C. van (Karel)" Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, hkoerfg1@ford.com Subject: Re: Compiling a cross-development env. for DECstations References: <199803300854.KAA23315@sparta.research.kpn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199803300854.KAA23315@sparta.research.kpn.com>; from Houten K.H.C. van (Karel) on Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 10:54:18AM +0200 On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 10:54:18AM +0200, Houten K.H.C. van (Karel) wrote: > Can someone please help me with the configuration of binutils and gcc > for the DECstation targets, running on intel linux. I want to compile > linux kernels for DECstations on my intel system, and boot the DECstation > over tftp. I seem te have troubles getting the correct architectures > configured for binutils and gcc (error while compiling the cross-compiler). I'm going to upload rpms of uptodate binaries so just ``rpm --install'' will do the job for people with Intel machines. Ralf From mjhnsn@u.washington.edu Tue Mar 31 09:16:36 1998 Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (root@jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id JAA17813; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:16:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:16:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from dante03.u.washington.edu (mjhnsn@dante03.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.5]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id XAA11114; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:16:23 -0800 Received: from localhost (mjhnsn@localhost) by dante03.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.04) with SMTP id XAA24952; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:16:22 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:16:22 -0800 (PST) From: Melissa Johnson To: linux-mips@fnet.fr cc: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Subject: Re: Compiling a cross-development env. for DECstations In-Reply-To: <19980331085220.54426@uni-koblenz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 10:54:18AM +0200, Houten K.H.C. van (Karel) wrote: > > Can someone please help me with the configuration of binutils and gcc > > for the DECstation targets, running on intel linux. I want to compile [snip] > I'm going to upload rpms of uptodate binaries so just ``rpm --install'' > will do the job for people with Intel machines. I'm also having trouble configuring binutils/gcc, and I'm the type of person who'd like to know how to do something, not just have the tools available to do it. There is/was a text file which described how to crosscompile using old patches and old versions. If this could be updated to the most recent versions, I would find it even more useful than fully configured installable "click-on-the-start-button" utilities. :) thanks, - Michael From sonoda@flab.fujitsu.co.jp Tue Mar 31 12:58:29 1998 Received: from fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp [164.71.1.133]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id MAA18887; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:58:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:58:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp by fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.8.8+2.7Wbeta7/3.6Wbeta7-MX980310-Fujitsu Mail Gateway) id TAA10783; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:58:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from flabmail.flab.fujitsu.co.jp by fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.8.8+2.7Wbeta7/3.6W-980320-Fujitsu Domain Mail Master) id TAA10929; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:57:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kmailserv.akashi.flab.fujitsu.co.jp by flabmail.flab.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb7/3.3W9-MX970225-Fujitsu Labs. Domain Mail Master) id TAA06858; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:57:45 +0900 Received: from ron.flab.fujitsu.co.jp (ron.pssys.flab.fujitsu.co.jp [10.254.213.35]) by kmailserv.akashi.flab.fujitsu.co.jp (SMI-8.6/3.5Wbeta96090511) with SMTP id TAA24592 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:53:39 +0900 Message-Id: <199803311103.AA00054@ron.flab.fujitsu.co.jp> From: Toshihiro Sonoda Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:03:46 +0900 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: can't compile the milo source MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AL-Mail32 Version 1.00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can't cross-compile the milo source on intex-linux. I want to cross-compile the pandora or milo. The compiling result is following, ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- making all in libstand make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/home/sonoda/work/Mips/milo-0.27/libstand' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/home/sonoda/work/Mips/milo-0.27/libstand' making all in libarc make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/home/sonoda/work/Mips/milo-0.27/libarc' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/home/sonoda/work/Mips/milo-0.27/libarc' making all in src make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/home/sonoda/work/Mips/milo-0.27/src' mipsel-linux-ld -N -oformat ecoff-littlemips -Ttext 0x80600000 -e _entry -o pandora a.out.o acer_pica_61.o arcident.o bitags.o boot.o cpu. o crt0.o dskst_tyne.o expandpath.o g364.o launch.o magnum.o mkargs.o rm200-pci.o version.o arcmemory.o commands.o disasm.o dumpcp0r.o pandora.o pandoramain.o parser.o -L../libstand -L../libarc -lstand -larc -lstand a.out.o(.text+0x0): undefined reference to `_gp_disp' make[1]: *** [pandora] Segmentation fault make[1]: *** Deleting file `pandora' make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/home/sonoda/work/Mips/milo-0.27/src' make: *** [all] Error 1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- What is "_gp_disp" ? Where is it defined ? I use "i486-linux/mipsel-linux/gcc-2.7.2-3.tar.gz", "i486-linux/mipsel-linux/binutils-2.7-3.tar.gz", "linux-2.0.21.tar.gz" as Linux/Mips "milo-0.27.tar.gz" as booter. Thank for your advice. ---- Toshihiro Sonoda sonoda@flab.fujitsu.co.jp From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Tue Mar 31 14:44:53 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id OAA20127; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:44:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:44:43 +0200 (MET DST) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (dali.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.1]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09389 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:44:18 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA04871; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:44:11 +0200 Message-ID: <19980331144411.64472@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:44:11 +0200 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: can't compile the milo source References: <199803311103.AA00054@ron.flab.fujitsu.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199803311103.AA00054@ron.flab.fujitsu.co.jp>; from Toshihiro Sonoda on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 08:03:46PM +0900 On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 08:03:46PM +0900, Toshihiro Sonoda wrote: > I can't cross-compile the milo source on intex-linux. > I want to cross-compile the pandora or milo. The symbol _gp_disp is automatically generated by the linker when linking PIC code. Milo 0.27 doesn't compile on current MIPS crosscompilers anymore; upgrade to 0.27.1. In general building Milo is a troublesome, that's why the package includes binaries. Depending of what machine you're using Milo 0.27 can still be used; on the SNI firmware 0.27.1 is required. What machine are you using? 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